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Addendum or amendments to the revised IRR of RA 9184

Post by Warrior on Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:10 pm

Am appealing to the GPPB to revisit the revised IRR of RA 9184 if there are provisions to simplify the procurement of life-saving commodities like the Medical Oxygen and Emergency Drugs used by the LGU hospitals, or exempt these emergency commodities from the restriction of advance deliveries. Crying or Very sad What if the bidding of medical oxygen failed, for technical reasons, ie., expired CPR, no bidders available, etc., will the patient postpone its dying event because the medical oxygen is still on the process of bidding? Sad What will happen to the lgu hospitals if their emergency supplies and medical oxygen are at the mercy of a very tedious process of bidding, turtle-paced accounting procedures, and the like? No Who will take the responsibility of Gross Negligence if patients die because of inavailabilty of medical oxygen and emergency drugs, if advance deliveries for medical oxygen and emergency drugs are a violation? Mad Is there a test case in court, ruling the cost-benefit analysis of RA 9184 on advance deliveries of medical oxygen and emergency drugs against the number of patients' lives saved? Question Could RA 9184 on advance deliveries outweighs RA 7160 Section 16 and 17? Exclamation These are points to ponder and needs exigent attention by the GPPB, otherwise the lives of patients in government hospitals are in great danger. bounce How do we relate this to accomplishing the MDG's, reduce Maternal Mortality Rates, and Infant Mortality Rates when patients referred from the rural communities to the health facilities like hospitals, could NOT be provided with even the most basic among the services of a hospital which is the provision of medical oxygen and emergency drugs? Now, where is GOOD GOVERNANCE there? Embarassed
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Re: Addendum or amendments to the revised IRR of RA 9184

Post by engrjhez® on Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:26 pm

I understand your sentiments. Yeah indeed, that is the sad reality. But have you also come to think that 'paving a way' for a speedy procurement of medical goods could easily be exploited by bidders and government officials alike. It would greatly invite the much feared collusion between the two. It would also be a precedent action to all health offices, DOH or LGUs alike to invoke the necessity of every 'artificial scenario' to acquire medical goods without competition. There may be several lapses on the part of the agency, but amending RA.9184 for the purposes you mentioned is a VERY dangerous proposition and does not constitute the best solution for the problem.

What is really the root of the problem is PLANNING. It all starts on a very good APP. Intensify the study on what really is needed. Based on historical records, what supplies are often easily consumed before it can be replenished. What are those supplies that has less importance that the rest? What really is the capability of the agency and what supplies match this capability?

To me, RA.9184 and its Revised IRR have been already been polished to answer the modern needs, whether NGA or LGU. The provision for alternative methods already provides wide variety of option to resort with on every extraordinary circumstances. The real problem is not in the 'procurement system'. It is either politics or bureaucracy. And for as long as the two exist as detrimental parts of governance, no procurement law, or any measures can go efficiently and effectively.

That is my stand on the issue. Very Happy
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Re: Addendum or amendments to the revised IRR of RA 9184

Post by Niwram on Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:42 am

well said Engr. Jhez.. I agree on your very good opinion.. that this problem will not arise if there is a very good planning especially in the APP.. also if the appeal of Warrior will be approved, it will give way for corruption..
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Re: Addendum or amendments to the revised IRR of RA 9184

Post by amang'65 on Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:33 am

agree din ako sa opinion ni jhez, niwram. why do we allow our sick people die because of poor planning (but i am not saying poor and planning nyo) - wag naman warrior, kaya ka nga WARRIOR para ipaglaban mo ang mga buhay ng ating mga kababayan (heh.he just kidin'). just like jhez said, we could actually plan our needs based on historical recordss. so you dont have to wait for these items to be consumed before you could procure for repleniishment (pwede namang repeat order kung malapit ng maubos ang supplies). the point here is that there are remedies provided in RA9184 in order to procure our agency's needs and in effect would deliver our services "betterer" and more efficient.
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Re: Addendum or amendments to the revised IRR of RA 9184

Post by fe a. araya on Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:33 am

Right, guys. Planning is the first stage in our procurement process. At the start of the year, PE should have already identified all its supplies/equipment requirements up to the end of the year so that these "dying" incidents due to lack of equipment will be avoided. I think, it's gross negligence! One thing also, before the end of the year, it is perhaps better that the PE should have already purchase enough equipment/supplies with allowance for the first quarter of the following year considering that during the first quarter of the year medyo di maka purchase agad because wala pa daw release of allotment (even if allowed to obligate 1/12th) and some PE may not have an approved APP at that early.
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Re: Addendum or amendments to the revised IRR of RA 9184

Post by sunriser431 on Sat Mar 13, 2010 1:21 am

Warrior wrote:Am appealing to the GPPB to revisit the revised IRR of RA 9184 if there are provisions to simplify the procurement of life-saving commodities like the Medical Oxygen and Emergency Drugs used by the LGU hospitals, or exempt these emergency commodities from the restriction of advance deliveries. Crying or Very sad What if the bidding of medical oxygen failed, for technical reasons, ie., expired CPR, no bidders available, etc., will the patient postpone its dying event because the medical oxygen is still on the process of bidding? Sad What will happen to the lgu hospitals if their emergency supplies and medical oxygen are at the mercy of a very tedious process of bidding, turtle-paced accounting procedures, and the like? No Who will take the responsibility of Gross Negligence if patients die because of inavailabilty of medical oxygen and emergency drugs, if advance deliveries for medical oxygen and emergency drugs are a violation? Mad Is there a test case in court, ruling the cost-benefit analysis of RA 9184 on advance deliveries of medical oxygen and emergency drugs against the number of patients' lives saved? Question Could RA 9184 on advance deliveries outweighs RA 7160 Section 16 and 17? Exclamation These are points to ponder and needs exigent attention by the GPPB, otherwise the lives of patients in government hospitals are in great danger. bounce How do we relate this to accomplishing the MDG's, reduce Maternal Mortality Rates, and Infant Mortality Rates when patients referred from the rural communities to the health facilities like hospitals, could NOT be provided with even the most basic among the services of a hospital which is the provision of medical oxygen and emergency drugs? Now, where is GOOD GOVERNANCE there? Embarassed
Hi Warrior welcome to the forum. Query lang po. Does your agency have decentralized procurement unit or all procurement is done in Central head office only? bounce
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Re: Addendum or amendments to the revised IRR of RA 9184

Post by RDV @ GP3i on Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:15 pm

Warrior wrote:Am appealing to the GPPB to revisit the revised IRR of RA 9184 if there are provisions to simplify the procurement of life-saving commodities like the Medical Oxygen and Emergency Drugs used by the LGU hospitals, or exempt these emergency commodities from the restriction of advance deliveries.

I am not aware of any restriction on advance deliveries. Deliveries are based on the delivery schedule that you have set in the bidding documents. Can you cite the provision of the IRR which provides so? Maybe, you refer to advance payment? The IRR (Annexes D and E) allows also for advance payment consistent with PD 1445. The prohibition on advance payment ,in the case of LGUs, is a provision of RA 7160 or the Local Government Code and not RA 9184.

Warrior wrote: What if the bidding of medical oxygen failed, for technical reasons, ie., expired CPR, no bidders available, etc., will the patient postpone its dying event because the medical oxygen is still on the process of bidding? Sad What will happen to the lgu hospitals if their emergency supplies and medical oxygen are at the mercy of a very tedious process of bidding, turtle-paced accounting procedures, and the like? No Who will take the responsibility of Gross Negligence if patients die because of inavailabilty of medical oxygen and emergency drugs, if advance deliveries for medical oxygen and emergency drugs are a violation? Mad Is there a test case in court, ruling the cost-benefit analysis of RA 9184 on advance deliveries of medical oxygen and emergency drugs against the number of patients' lives saved? Question Could RA 9184 on advance deliveries outweighs RA 7160 Section 16 and 17? Exclamation These are points to ponder and needs exigent attention by the GPPB, otherwise the lives of patients in government hospitals are in great danger. bounce How do we relate this to accomplishing the MDG's, reduce Maternal Mortality Rates, and Infant Mortality Rates when patients referred from the rural communities to the health facilities like hospitals, could NOT be provided with even the most basic among the services of a hospital which is the provision of medical oxygen and emergency drugs? Now, where is GOOD GOVERNANCE there? Embarassed

Just as the other posters have commented, nasa proper Procurement Planning lang yan.

The IRR also allows for alternative methods of procurement, such as Direct Contracting, Shopping, Negotiated Procurement due to Emergency Cases and SVP, so long as the conditions are present and recommended by the BAC and approved by the HOPE, which could be resorted to and allows for shorter period of time up to delivery period and could respond to the problems immediately, just in case.
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Re: Addendum or amendments to the revised IRR of RA 9184

Post by inhinyera on Thu Jun 03, 2010 3:11 am

Everybody is right...but then...until now its like we are still in the transition process from the previous system. I would suggest that in all aspects of procurement...GPPB must come up with a procurement flow process anybody could follow. Very Happy
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Re: Addendum or amendments to the revised IRR of RA 9184

Post by amang'65 on Thu Jun 03, 2010 5:30 pm

welcome po sa forum lady engr. mabuti naman at tama kami. dito po sa amin, i made our own flow chart following what is provided in the IRR, actually its all there,you can actually transform the IRR into a flow chart form so i guess GPPB does not have to do this. and besides meron naman yung procurement manual i think we can still make use of this.
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Re: Addendum or amendments to the revised IRR of RA 9184

Post by riddler on Thu Jun 03, 2010 6:04 pm

amang'65 wrote:welcome po sa forum lady engr. mabuti naman at tama kami. dito po sa amin, i made our own flow chart following what is provided in the IRR, actually its all there,you can actually transform the IRR into a flow chart form so i guess GPPB does not have to do this. and besides meron naman yung procurement manual i think we can still make use of this.

amen amang nasa IRR na ang flow/process.. kailangan lang nating sunugin konti yung kilay natin sa pagbabasa at praktis ng amended IRR to learn the "Art of Procurement". Very Happy Cool
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Addendum or amendment to IRR

Post by fe a. araya on Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:49 am

Welcome inhenyera to the forum. Also, hello guys, it's gud to be back again. I agree with Amang and riddler. The IRR has prpovided us the flow and process, though npot in a flow chart form. In our office, we made our own guide (including the flow and process) to simplify but consistent with the provisions of the IRR. We even prepared a checklist of requirements for the supplier/bidder to follow. Contents of the checklist are taken from the IRR and the BDS. This will facilitate the compliance of the bidders and the bidding process.

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Re: Addendum or amendments to the revised IRR of RA 9184

Post by jcolas on Sun Jun 06, 2010 12:03 am

I fully agree with all the posters contention that the solution to the problem of Warrior is judicious planning. We have the whole year to do this and that is the reason why all stakeholders are enjoined to participate in the preparation of the PPMP which eventually will result to the APP. As commented also by Sir RDV, we have the AMP for every appropriate scenario as long as these are recommended by the BAC.

I am fine Fe and its good to hear from you.
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