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Post by jcolas on Fri Oct 01, 2010 1:54 pm

This is a querry by amry from the shout box which I find to be worthwhile:

If the lowest calculated bid is post disqualified under shopping or small value procurement, can the BAC proceed to post-qualify the second lowest or outright declare a failure and proceed for reshopping?
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Post by fe a. araya on Fri Oct 01, 2010 3:16 pm

The IRR provides that in the event the bidder with the lowest calculated bid was post-disqualified, it is mandatory that the second lowest bidder shall be subject also to post-qualification. It is only when there is only one bidder (lone bidder) or single calculated bidder but later, was post-disqualified, a failure of bidding shall be declared.
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Post by engrjhez® on Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:13 pm

jcolas wrote:This is a querry by amry from the shout box which I find to be worthwhile:

If the lowest calculated bid is post disqualified under shopping or small value procurement, can the BAC proceed to post-qualify the second lowest or outright declare a failure and proceed for reshopping?

You don't conduct LCBs and Post Qual in Alternative Methods. Instead, we just use canvass method where we just rank the proposals and then we validate the legal, technical, and financial capabilities later before award can be issued. Smile
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Post by fe a. araya on Fri Oct 01, 2010 11:15 pm

Oh, I miss that. Thanks engrjhez for pointing that out. I
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Post by jcolas on Sun Oct 03, 2010 7:49 pm

"fe a. araya wrote".

The IRR provides that in the event the bidder with the lowest calculated bid was post-disqualified, it is mandatory that the second lowest bidder shall be subject also to post-qualification. It is only when there is only one bidder (lone bidder) or single calculated bidder but later, was post-disqualified, a failure of bidding shall be declared.

[u]"Engrjhez wrote".


You don't conduct LCBs and Post Qual in Alternative Methods. Instead, we just use canvass method where we just rank the proposals and then we validate the legal, technical, and financial capabilities later before award can be issued.

That is when the mode of procurement is Public Bidding but the question is:
"If the lowest calculated bid is post disqualified under shopping or small value procurement, can the BAC proceed to post-qualify the second lowest or outright declare a failure and proceed for reshopping? Any opinion from other posters, please.
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Post by engrjhez® on Mon Oct 04, 2010 12:37 pm

jcolas wrote:x x x
"Engrjhez wrote".

You don't conduct LCBs and Post Qual in Alternative Methods. Instead, we just use canvass method where we just rank the proposals and then we validate the legal, technical, and financial capabilities later before award can be issued.

That is when the mode of procurement is Public Bidding but the question is:
"If the lowest calculated bid is post disqualified under shopping or small value procurement, can the BAC proceed to post-qualify the second lowest or outright declare a failure and proceed for reshopping? Any opinion from other posters, please.

Same principle applies except that it is not bounded by timelines. It's not actually post qualification but it is somewhat similar. If the canvass/quotation was not legally, technically or financially sound, then award must not be given. Instead we look on the next lowest canvass/quotation and then we validate. If there would be failure because no other proposals passing the validation, the advertisement (and the process) will only be extended until all criteria and validations are satisfied. Smile
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Post by jcolas on Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:41 pm

"Engrjhez wrote."

Same principle applies except that it is not bounded by timelines. It's not actually post qualification but it is somewhat similar. If the canvass/quotation was not legally, technically or financially sound, then award must not be given. Instead we look on the next lowest canvass/quotation and then we validate. If there would be failure because no other proposals passing the validation, the advertisement (and the process) will only be extended until all criteria and validations are satisfied.

There you are Amry. I hope you are reading the forum and I hope this answers your querry.
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Post by msm326 on Tue Oct 05, 2010 1:09 pm

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Post by bim punzalan on Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:00 pm

In the Bill of Quantities under the column "quantity", could we leave it blank so that it would appear that the numbers appearing in that column are their estimates?
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Post by engrjhez® on Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:26 pm

bim punzalan wrote:In the Bill of Quantities under the column "quantity", could we leave it blank so that it would appear that the numbers appearing in that column are their estimates?

What do you mean? The bidders will guess the requirement in terms of quantity? What is your purpose in doing that?
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Post by bim punzalan on Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:38 pm

What I mean is that the bidders will do their own estimates and not to rely on the agency estimate.
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Post by engrjhez® on Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:49 pm

bim punzalan wrote:What I mean is that the bidders will do their own estimates and not to rely on the agency estimate.
Whether this is on procurement of Goods or Works, the quantity must be declared and stated. Only unit prices are left for bidders to fill in. This is primarily to establish bid comparison based on equal footing. Smile
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Post by bim punzalan on Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:53 pm

ok thanx
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Post by fe a. araya on Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:13 am

Hi, sir jcolas! Just want to add some input regarding my earlier post. In our office, whether its public bidding or shopping or any other alternative modes of procurement, we still require the supplier with the lowest calculated quote (as in the case of shopping or SVP) to submit accreditation requirements, in case our registry of supplier shows that his firm has not submitted or not updated his documents with us before we award the PO/JO. In a way perhaps, is similar to post-qua. That way we are assured that we are dealing with qualified suppliers. If his firm cannot submit on the deadline set , say within 3 days, then we proceed to the next offer who must necessarily meet the accred. requirements until we satisfy the validation process.
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Post by jcolas on Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:46 pm

To maam Fe:

It is not so much a problem in public bidding as all the bidders are subjected to eligibility check. Under shopping, we require our bidders to submit together with the RFQ, the following:
1) Mayor;s Permit
2) PhilGEPS Registration
3) Tax Clearance. That is, as you have said, if they are not accredited. If and when he failed to submit these documents, the BAC proceeds to the next bidder. that is how we do it in our office.
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Post by jans18 on Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:22 pm

Can a non- winning bidder can ask for a copy of the technical, legal and financial documents of the winning bidder? What is the legal basis?

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Post by chrissy on Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:37 am

What about those small repair shops? or catering services? do we require the 3 items as stated above?
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Post by engrjhez® on Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:54 am

jans18 wrote:Can a non- winning bidder can ask for a copy of the technical, legal and financial documents of the winning bidder? What is the legal basis?

No. Not even the observers are allowed to have a copy without accomplishing a confidentiality agreement with the PE. The losing bidders may ask it from the party concerned but not from the BAC. There is no legal basis for it but if you follow the principle in the PhilGEPS registry of suppliers, they themselves cannot view the details of their fellow suppliers. Smile
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Post by engrjhez® on Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:03 am

chrissy wrote:What about those small repair shops? or catering services? do we require the 3 items as stated above?

If you are referring to these three (3):
jcolas wrote:To maam Fe:

It is not so much a problem in public bidding as all the bidders are subjected to eligibility check. Under shopping, we require our bidders to submit together with the RFQ, the following:
1) Mayor;s Permit
2) PhilGEPS Registration
3) Tax Clearance. That is, as you have said, if they are not accredited. If and when he failed to submit these documents, the BAC proceeds to the next bidder. that is how we do it in our office.

The guidelines for Shopping and SVP (GPPB Reso 09-2011) indicated that you have two options to check on the legal, technical and financial capability of the repair shops or catering services:

a. by submission of documents; or
b. by any other means.

It is not actually restricted to those documents above as alternately, the following may be considered also:
1) DTI/BIR/CDA Certificate
2) Proof of PhilGEPS registration (such as confirmation email)
3) Latest filed Income Tax Return

Of course if there other means that we could check on these requirements other than submission, it may still be acceptable. Smile
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